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you know i love chandler, especially the first 4 seasons, but after he started his relationship with monica in the fifth and sixth season everything about him started gradually to go down, then when they lived together he was done with it, and it was obvious becuse of monica, she had him under her control, utterly defeated him then dominated him, in some scenes he was absolutely intimidated by her, the i realized she made him her pet or dog so i felt sad about him, even behind scenes as matthew and courteney there were a story when challenged him in a bet, then beat him in the bet and she made him her slave, this female owned him everywere.